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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 17:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bruce Wesley do you want speed to reproduce or strength in generating leaders? Develop 2 bars of leadership &#8211; a speed bar &#38; a strength bar. Have yearly increments to move speed people to strength. Tammy Kelley Ask more questions; make fewer declarations good things can become intoxicating; intoxicating can become toxic live a life [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Wesley</p>
<ul>
<li>do you want speed to reproduce or strength in generating leaders?</li>
<li>Develop 2 bars of leadership &#8211; a speed bar &amp; a strength bar.</li>
<li>Have yearly increments to move speed people to strength.</li>
</ul>
<p>Tammy Kelley</p>
<ul>
<li>Ask more questions; make fewer declarations</li>
<li>good things can become intoxicating; intoxicating can become toxic</li>
<li>live a life more &#8216;fool for Christ&#8217; and less &#8216;impress&#8217;.</li>
</ul>
<p>Jason Barr</p>
<ul>
<li>I wish I&#8217;d never compromised</li>
<li>I hired people too fast; should have done more due diligence; wish I&#8217;d hired on chemistry more than credentials</li>
<li>noone can teach to be good stewards better than lead pastor &#8211; Don&#8217;t delegate this.</li>
<li>I would rather do things <em>for</em> people than <em>with</em> people; I wish I&#8217;d been a better shepherd. &#8220;People don&#8217;t care how much you know until they know how much you care.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p>Craig Strickland</p>
<ul>
<li>church plants tend to be a magnet for dysfunctional people</li>
<li>I seriously underestimated the importance of generous giving</li>
<li>It takes 3-5 years to change the DNA of the church</li>
</ul>
<p>Matt Hannan</p>
<ul>
<li>Avoid unnecessary wars</li>
<li>lead from the middle not the edge, even though the edge is attractional because it looks &#8216;edgy&#8217;</li>
<li>Don&#8217;t think that spiritual leadership is distinct from strategic leadership</li>
<li>God&#8217;s core agenda is &#8216;YOU&#8217;</li>
<li>People who model false values instill false values in their disciples (if you teach that prayer is important without actually being a prayer warrier yourself, people will learn to <em>say</em> prayer is important without actually being prayer warriers themselves.)</li>
</ul>
<p>Jeff Jones</p>
<ul>
<li>Wish I hadn&#8217;t tried to do it all. Missed out on a lot of things, so did my family.</li>
<li>Wish I&#8217;d tried to do only the things no one else could do, instead.</li>
</ul>
<p>Kevin Harney</p>
<ul>
<li>Having people keep sending money and prayers is fine, but not enough.</li>
<li>Having committees that plan outreach is fine, but not enough.</li>
<li>Organic Outreach is <strong>the</strong> target lifestyle.</li>
<li>Elders should be held accountable for outreach themselves.</li>
<li>Budget needs to reflect giving and outreach &#8211; what God&#8217;s call us to do.</li>
<li>Train and equip <strong>all</strong> people &#8211; youth, men &#038; women.</li>
</ul>
<p>Steve Stroope</p>
<ul>
<li>Wish I&#8217;d guided the church to live that &#8216;family&#8217; is the spiritual formation driver</li>
<li>Church must remind, resource &#038; equip the family to do it</li>
<li>Developed kiosk &#038; online to resource the family</li>
<li>Ensure that no ministry unintentially left the parents out</li>
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		<title>No Scars?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 17:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was reading through the blogs that I follow this morning and came upon this one from a friend in England – Mike Kendall, pastor of St Neots Evangelical Church in Cambridge – follow him here. Poetry speaks in ways that prose doesn’t. Why is that? Is it the use of extravagant imagery? Is it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading through the blogs that I follow this morning and came upon this one from a friend in England – Mike Kendall, pastor of St Neots Evangelical Church in Cambridge – follow him <a href="http://fwiwblog.blogspot.com/">here</a>.</p>
<p>Poetry speaks in ways that prose doesn’t. Why is that? Is it the use of extravagant imagery? Is it the rhythm that strikes some chord? Is it the word-form that makes us focus more intently in a search for meaning? I have no idea – possibly all of them combined.</p>
<p>But this poem Mike quoted by Amy Carmichael spoke to me:</p>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 210px"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Amy_Carmichael.jpg" title="Amy Carmichael" width="200" height="244" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Amy Carmichael</p></div>
<blockquote><p>Hast thou no scar?<br />
No hidden scar on foot, or side, or hand?<br />
I hear thee sung as mighty in the land;<br />
I hear them hail thy bright, ascendant star.<br />
Hast thou no scar?</p>
<p>Hast thou no wound?<br />
Yet I was wounded by the archers; spent,<br />
Leaned Me against a tree to die; and rent<br />
By ravening beasts that compassed Me, I swooned.<br />
Hast thou no wound?</p>
<p>No wound? No scar?<br />
Yet, as the Master shall the servant be,<br />
And piercèd are the feet that follow Me.<br />
But thine are whole; can he have followed far<br />
Who hast no wound or scar?<br />
<cite>- Amy Carmichael, “No Scar?”</cite></p></blockquote>
<p>How many people grow to fame within the church and act as if they are perfect? We want to follow people who have no flaws – flaws are a sign of weakness; they tell us that you have problems, so who are you to lead us? So some leaders work hard to overcome any such limitations, while others simply try to cover them up. But the greatest of the leaders acknowledge them, shame or no shame; get help if they need it and get on with a life of obedience.</p>
<p>Having flaws as a leader is a two-fold gift: First, it forces you to realize that you are not perfect, no matter what your follows may say. Secondly, it forces you to remember that you must rely on Jesus for your victory. Thirdly, you are not alone – the Master Himself took on flaws in His desire to make us whole. (OK, that’s three-folds there. You’ll have to deal with it.)</p>
<p>But this doesn’t just apply to our church leaders. It applies to us and also to our fellow travelers. If He can bear and acknowledge that brokenness, then we must do no less. As people walk through the church doors and stay a while, we begin to assume that they are now all perfect.</p>
<p>“He’s been in church for 2 years,” we say. “How come he still gets drunk? He’s supposed to be ‘one of us’. Hasn’t he learned anything while he’s been here?”</p>
<p>We need to stop thinking about ourselves as healed and rather think of ourselves as healing. God isn’t finished with us yet.</p>
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		<title>The Explosive Church</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was reading Dave Ferguson&#8217;s blog yesterday &#8211; he quoted some great words from a book by Roland Allen titled The Spontaneous Expansion of the Church. There are several quotes, but here&#8217;s the one that caught my eye: Many years ago my experience in China taught me that if our object was to establish in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading <a href="http://daveferguson.typepad.com/daveferguson/2010/04/spontaneous-expansion-of-the-church-timeless.html" target="_blank">Dave Ferguson&#8217;s blog</a> yesterday &#8211; he quoted some great words from a book by Roland Allen titled <span style="text-decoration: underline;">The Spontaneous Expansion of the Church</span>. There are several quotes, but here&#8217;s the one that caught my eye:</p>
<blockquote><p>Many years ago my experience in China taught me that if our object was to establish in that country a church which might spread over the six provinces which then formed the diocese of North China, that object could only be attained if the first Christians who were converted by our labors understood clearly that <strong>they could by themselves, without any further assistance from us, not only convert their neighbors, but establish churches</strong>.  That meant that the very first groups of converts must be so fully equipped with all spiritual authority that they could multiply themselves <strong>without any necessary reference to us</strong>&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>(my bold)</p>
<p>These are words that could as readily be applied to the church today &#8211; and 1,500 years ago. The book <span style="text-decoration: underline;">The Celtic Way of Evangelism: How Christianity Can Reach the West&#8230;Again&#8230;</span> documents the way in which St Patrick was able to reach the Irish by adapting evangelistic methods to the indigenous people in Ireland and it spread like wildfire &#8211; and leapt back through Scotland and England and was starting back on the Continent when the Roman-based church put a stop to it &#8211; &#8220;That&#8217;s not the way we do it&#8221;.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in the midst of a new way of &#8216;doing&#8217; church that didn&#8217;t really get underway until the 1980s. For the first time since the first century, we are encouraging people to begin new churches without going through seminary first, and &#8211; by golly &#8211; they are! And we&#8217;ve got lots of ways of doing it. There are liturgical churches and anti-liturgical ones. There&#8217;s hippie radical worship (a VERY old congregation there!), and there&#8217;s churches that meet in pubs. It&#8217;s so terribly easy to criticize the way one group of people does church &#8211; so easy to promote the idea that REAL worship means getting dressed up in your best clothes out of respect for the Lord, and do not even <strong><em>think</em></strong> about bringing coffee into the service!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t confuse method with message. As long as the message is true &#8211; let the method evolve, say I. What say you?</p>
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		<title>Is God Dismantling Denominations?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m becoming convinced that God has started to dismantle denominations. They served a purpose at one time – they fostered unity among a congregation and between like-minded congregations, but more than that, they helped to make concrete those aspects of faith that were essential. Formularizing faith has an advantage when people need to understand what [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m becoming convinced that God has started to dismantle denominations. They served a purpose at one time – they fostered unity among a congregation and between like-minded congregations, but more than that, they helped to make concrete those aspects of faith that were essential. Formularizing faith has an advantage when people need to understand what their faith is all about – doing so comes at the risk of worshipping the formula rather than the faith. When we get too passionate about KJV versus NASB versus NIV, or about choir versus worship team – then we’ve lost the point of it all.</p>
<p>Again:</p>
<p><back>Tradition and Institutionalization are the enemies of Creativity; their weapons are comfort and safety – and they foster sloth, conformity, acquisition and control.<cite>&#8230; and you can quote me on that.</cite></back></p>
<p>What seems to be taking the place of the relative permanence of denominations are the multisite churches. These</p>
<ul>
<li>spread the Gospel and they have a focused approach – a unity – that is stable for a while. They can be dispersed across one or more states – even countries.</li>
<li>are innovative, creative and malleable – something that denominations cannot be.</li>
<li>are sustaining tremendous growth because they are young, dynamic and driven.</li>
<li>often have a very charismatic leader at the helm, who provides energy and vision.</li>
</ul>
<p>Any single multisite church will die off or dissipate after a few decades as the leader slows down, moves on or passes away; its footprint can be picked up by another multisite, or by some completely new form of church that God may already be moving into place.</p>
<p>Another way that God seems to be working today is in combining efforts across congregations. Traditionally, churches that are already established have been at odds with a new church coming to town. They resent the potential loss of congregants, and I’m sorry to say that the minister is usually leading the way in this thought process. But we are called to unity, not jealousy&#8230;</p>
<div class="sblockquote esv"><sup>1</sup>So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any comfort from love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy, <sup>2</sup>complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind. <sup>3</sup>Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. <sup>4</sup>Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.<cite>— <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Philippians+2%3A1-4" title="English Standard Version Bible">Philippians 2:1-4 (ESV)</a></cite></div>
<p>So it was refreshing to see this tweet from Geoff Surratt in late Jaunuary –</p>
<p><back>Heard through Twitter that NewSpring is coming to Charleston. Glad to hear it, we can use the help reaching the lost in the Low Country.</back></p>
<p>(<a href="http://twitter.com/GeoffSurratt" class="twitter-username">@GeoffSurratt</a> is a pastor in a large multistate multisite church called Seacoast based in Charleston, SC; <a href="http://twitter.com/PerryNoble" class="twitter-username">@PerryNoble</a> is the lead pastor of rapidly-growing NewSpring based out of Anderson, SC). This is out of the ordinary – even though it shouldn’t be. We are all in the Body of Christ; we have the same mission in <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Matt+28" title="English Standard Version Bible">Matt 28</a>; we were all saved by the same Savior.</p>
<p>Different churches reach different people. They’re in different parts of town or the state; they have different leaders who have different skills in reaching out, in speaking, in connecting to others. One church might be blue-collar, another mostly white-collar. One church loves a liturgical service, another a contemporary one.</p>
<p>Could it be – just possibly – that God wants to treat churches as He does people? That he has given them different gifts with the specific intention that those gifts be used to compliment each other?</p>
<ul>
<li>A church in a poor part of town provides the opportunity for a (financially) wealthier church to come beside it and receive Grace through sharing finances and also hard work – and thereby to recognize that financial and social privilege is not always the boon that the world makes it out to be (sometimes it can be a terrible impediment).</li>
<li>A church in India is in a tremendous position to do good for all those around it – it’s at ‘ground zero’, so to speak. It’s poor financially, but what it can buy (food, clothes, buildings) it can obtain locally at a very low cost compared to an American church. A church in the US can’t easily help physically, but it can afford to send money and perhaps a few people to give support and guidance to the fledgling church. The effect on the Indian church could be enormous, and the backwash is pure Grace.</li>
</ul>
<p>(Interestingly, it&#8217;s the multisite church leaders that seem to be setting the pace here &#8211; we rarely if ever hear of leaders of denominations traveling overseas to work on ground-setting for church planting. Yet Pete Wilson ( <a href="http://twitter.com/PeteWilson" class="twitter-username">@PeteWilson</a> ), the lead pastor of <a href="http://CrossPoint.tv">CrossPoint Church</a> in Nashville, TN is in India as I write this; Perry Noble (<a href="http://twitter.com/PerryNoble" class="twitter-username">@PerryNoble</a>) was in Kenya last year.)</p>
<p>So I see this as part of God’s way forward for us. The missionary part we’ve been doing for a while – but the connection of multiple disparate churches in the same town – that’s so rare it can be thought of as new, and I see that aspect growing in the coming decade.</p>
<p><a class="a2a_dd addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save"><img src="http://steve.gwilt.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_171_16.gif" width="171" height="16" alt="Share/Bookmark"/></a> </p><div class="pdf24Plugin-cp-box"><form method="post" action="http://doc2pdf.pdf24.org/doc2pdf/wordpress.php" target="pdf24PopWin" onsubmit="window.open('about:blank', 'pdf24PopWin', 'scrollbars=yes,width=400,height=200,top=0,left=0'); return true;"><input type="hidden" name="blogCharset" value="VVRGLTg=" /><input type="hidden" name="blogPosts" value="MQ==" /><input type="hidden" name="blogUrl" value="aHR0cDovL3N0ZXZlLmd3aWx0Lm9yZy9ibG9n" /><input type="hidden" name="blogName" value="SSYjMDM5O3ZlIEJlZW4gVGhpbmtpbmcgQWJvdXQgVGhpcy4uLg==" /><input type="hidden" name="blogValueEncoding" value="base64" /><input type="hidden" name="postTitle_0" value="SXMgR29kIERpc21hbnRsaW5nIERlbm9taW5hdGlvbnM/" /><input type="hidden" name="postLink_0" value="aHR0cDovL3N0ZXZlLmd3aWx0Lm9yZy9ibG9nLzIwMTAvMDIvMDYvaXMtZ29kLWRpc21hbnRsaW5nLWRlbm9taW5hdGlvbnMv" /><input type="hidden" name="postAuthor_0" value="U3RldmU=" /><input type="hidden" name="postDateTime_0" value="MjAxMC0wMi0wNiAwMDowMjoxMQ==" /><input type="hidden" name="postContent_0" value="<p>I’m becoming convinced that God has started to dismantle denominations. They served a purpose at one time – they fostered unity among a congregation and between like-minded congregations, but more than that, they helped to make concrete those aspects of faith that were essential. Formularizing faith has an advantage when people need to understand what their faith is all about – doing so comes at the risk of worshipping the formula rather than the faith. When we get too passionate about KJV versus NASB versus NIV, or about choir versus worship team – then we’ve lost the point of it all.</p>
<p>Again:</p>
<p><back>Tradition and Institutionalization are the enemies of Creativity; their weapons are comfort and safety – and they foster sloth, conformity, acquisition and control.<cite>&#8230; and you can quote me on that.</cite></back></p>
<p>What seems to be taking the place of the relative permanence of denominations are the multisite churches. These</p>
<ul>
<li>spread the Gospel and they have a focused approach – a unity – that is stable for a while. They can be dispersed across one or more states – even countries.</li>
<li>are innovative, creative and malleable – something that denominations cannot be.</li>
<li>are sustaining tremendous growth because they are young, dynamic and driven.</li>
<li>often have a very charismatic leader at the helm, who provides energy and vision.</li>
</ul>
<p>Any single multisite church will die off or dissipate after a few decades as the leader slows down, moves on or passes away; its footprint can be picked up by another multisite, or by some completely new form of church that God may already be moving into place.</p>
<p>Another way that God seems to be working today is in combining efforts across congregations. Traditionally, churches that are already established have been at odds with a new church coming to town. They resent the potential loss of congregants, and I’m sorry to say that the minister is usually leading the way in this thought process. But we are called to unity, not jealousy&#8230;</p>
<div class="sblockquote esv"><sup>1</sup>So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any comfort from love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy, <sup>2</sup>complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind. <sup>3</sup>Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. <sup>4</sup>Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.<cite>— <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Philippians+2%3A1-4" title="English Standard Version Bible">Philippians 2:1-4 (ESV)</a></cite></div>
<p>So it was refreshing to see this tweet from Geoff Surratt in late Jaunuary –</p>
<p><back>Heard through Twitter that NewSpring is coming to Charleston. Glad to hear it, we can use the help reaching the lost in the Low Country.</back></p>
<p>(<a href="http://twitter.com/GeoffSurratt" class="twitter-username">@GeoffSurratt</a> is a pastor in a large multistate multisite church called Seacoast based in Charleston, SC; <a href="http://twitter.com/PerryNoble" class="twitter-username">@PerryNoble</a> is the lead pastor of rapidly-growing NewSpring based out of Anderson, SC). This is out of the ordinary – even though it shouldn’t be. We are all in the Body of Christ; we have the same mission in <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Matt+28" title="English Standard Version Bible">Matt 28</a>; we were all saved by the same Savior.</p>
<p>Different churches reach different people. They’re in different parts of town or the state; they have different leaders who have different skills in reaching out, in speaking, in connecting to others. One church might be blue-collar, another mostly white-collar. One church loves a liturgical service, another a contemporary one.</p>
<p>Could it be – just possibly – that God wants to treat churches as He does people? That he has given them different gifts with the specific intention that those gifts be used to compliment each other?</p>
<ul>
<li>A church in a poor part of town provides the opportunity for a (financially) wealthier church to come beside it and receive Grace through sharing finances and also hard work – and thereby to recognize that financial and social privilege is not always the boon that the world makes it out to be (sometimes it can be a terrible impediment).</li>
<li>A church in India is in a tremendous position to do good for all those around it – it’s at ‘ground zero’, so to speak. It’s poor financially, but what it can buy (food, clothes, buildings) it can obtain locally at a very low cost compared to an American church. A church in the US can’t easily help physically, but it can afford to send money and perhaps a few people to give support and guidance to the fledgling church. The effect on the Indian church could be enormous, and the backwash is pure Grace.</li>
</ul>
<p>(Interestingly, it&#8217;s the multisite church leaders that seem to be setting the pace here &#8211; we rarely if ever hear of leaders of denominations traveling overseas to work on ground-setting for church planting. Yet Pete Wilson ( <a href="http://twitter.com/PeteWilson" class="twitter-username">@PeteWilson</a> ), the lead pastor of <a href="http://CrossPoint.tv">CrossPoint Church</a> in Nashville, TN is in India as I write this; Perry Noble (<a href="http://twitter.com/PerryNoble" class="twitter-username">@PerryNoble</a>) was in Kenya last year.)</p>
<p>So I see this as part of God’s way forward for us. The missionary part we’ve been doing for a while – but the connection of multiple disparate churches in the same town – that’s so rare it can be thought of as new, and I see that aspect growing in the coming decade.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The pastor usually does a worship service recap on his blog, but he’s away today – so I’ll drop my thoughts off instead. Only 2/3rds of last week’s number in the sanctuary today because of the long weekend – a shame, because they missed a great service. Some glorious worship through music – our worship [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pastor usually does a worship service recap on <a href="http://ryannilsen.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">his blog</a>, but he’s away today – so I’ll drop my thoughts off instead.</p>
<div id="attachment_1177" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://steve.gwilt.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/PCF1.png"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1177" title="PCF" src="http://steve.gwilt.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/PCF1-300x151.png" alt="" width="300" height="151" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Praise Christian Fellowship</p></div>
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<li>Only 2/3rds of last week’s number in the sanctuary today because of the long weekend – a shame, because they missed a great service.</li>
<li>Some glorious worship through music – our worship leaders are completely awesome – Lindsey was up today.</li>
<li>Jenn has a real passion for the situation in Haiti and gave a great impromptu talk before we took up a collection.</li>
<li>$2,500 – Un. Be. Lievable!</li>
<li>The usually ‘got-it-all-together’ worship leader had a complete melt-down between the impact of the collection for Haiti and the anticipation of the song she was about to lead (“I See the Lord”). Which started the congregation wondering “why?”; which led to softer hearts and paying way more attention to the pain in Haiti and the worship we were in the middle of. A totally God-induced moment that resulted in (a) the other worship singers reaching out to support her and stepping up to help lead worship; (b) the congregation empathizing and singing with more of a heart for worship than ever and (c) a lot of damp faces, including one or two of the teens.</li>
<li>It took Tom a while to compose himself after the music worship before he could begin his sermon. He filled in a lot of the questions on the fast that we were about to start, then went on to talk about the sanctity of Life. Good stuff.</li>
<li>Lots of people took hour-long slots for prayer this coming week during the fast. Too bad the fast started on a Sunday with so few people there – I’d have loved to see the whole week covered in prayer. Maybe next year!</li>
<li>Great post-service huddle – more ministry leaders joining us today to review the service – lots of warm support for Lindsey.</li>
<li>I absolutely <strong><em>loved</em></strong> watching God detonate in the middle of the worship like that. My eyeballs are still leaking a bit!</li>
<li>And totally love the people who pulled it all together. This place is awesome.</li>
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		<title>What I Want in a Church</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been giving this some thought recently. I&#8217;m reading so many blogs and touching so many sites and reading so many books about church and leadership and so on, that I started wondering what my perfect church would be. So here it is, all out in the open&#8230; I want Bible-based teaching: Enough with this [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been giving this some thought recently. I&#8217;m reading so many blogs and touching so many sites and reading so many books about church and leadership and so on, that I started wondering what my perfect church would be. So here it is, all out in the open&#8230;</p>
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<ul>
<li>I want Bible-based teaching:
<ul>
<li>Enough with this ‘God is love’ stuff, and relationship psycho-babble and, “Let’s not get people annoyed because the preacher’s saying things that are inconvenient” – I want to hear something about His holiness, His righteousness and His purity and the need for me to get cleaned up (by Him) if I want to be in His presence. I understand He’s love, but I want some meat please.</li>
<li>I want to hear a call to repentance from the pulpit, not a lot of make-nice.</li>
<li>I want to see some witnessing from the pulpit &#8211; witnessing to changes that Jesus Christ has made in the preacher, not just a bunch of cute stories and jokes. It’s OK if the minister is broken and he/she talks about it. It’s <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">not</span></em> OK if the minister pretends he/she is OK and that all the failures are in the congregation, ‘coz I know that’s a dangerous lie.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>I want a chance to be involved in guiding the church body. I want to make a difference.</li>
<li>I want a church that speaks to new people, especially kids and young families.</li>
<li>I want a church that makes use of the tools God gives – such as technology – to reach out to people outside (and inside) the building.</li>
<li>I want a church that has no hymnals in the pews, because they have screens in the front so your head’s up when you’re singing (and someone in the control booth that knows how to work it!). That way, people will hear the praising instead of the organ.</li>
<li>I want a church that starts with people and becomes the Body, not a group of people who say, “We’re a lot of people, so we must be a church.”</li>
<li>I want a church whose minister is accountable to someone else locally – an elder or the minister from another church.</li>
<li>I want comfy chairs/pews in the sanctuary. Why turn people off or make them uncomfortable? We’re not Victorians; we don’t need to suffer to feel good about ourselves.</li>
<li>I want to bring my coffee to drink during service. I often drink coffee or juice when I’m with friends. God wouldn’t mind &#8211; after all, I&#8217;m friends with Him. In fact, I’m betting He’s all for it if it helps people come and listen to Him. Again, we’re not Victorians dressed up in our best bibs and tuckers, sitting beautifully in a row. A lot of us don’t even wear ties to church anymore &#8211; some (gasp!) even come in jeans and T&#8217;s!</li>
<li>I want a church family that tithes. I’m not talking about the people in the church – I’m talking about the congregation giving away 10% of the church’s budget to other ministries…and not all social ministries either. Missionaries abroad, missionaries in inner cities, missionaries in my home town. Supporting ministries that don’t have much chance otherwise because they’re not that popular. I believe that people who aren’t tithing don’t grow. I believe that churches that don’t tithe are dying.</li>
<li>I want a church that can’t wait to get together to have fun. Church dinners (what ever happened to tuna noodle casserole? I love that stuff, with the crunchy Corn Flake thingy on the top), bowling nights, ice cream socials – totally corny stuff with lots of love and joy and connecting.</li>
<li>Speaking of connecting &#8211; I want to connect with God’s vision for this area. He must have one! But I’m not in on it yet. Why not? So many possible reasons – need to wait on the Lord; assail the battlements; the parable of the importunate woman; time isn’t right yet; I’m not right yet; I’m supposed to be somewhere else. Has He closed this door, or has the enemy?</li>
<li>I&#8217;d like to see one of these big-name people with a lot of experience in the emerging church &#8211; from DC or Georgia or Texas or California or Michigan or some other comfortable Bible Belt-ish place &#8211; have the wherewithal to move into this area and put that experience to good use. Want to <em>really</em> reach the unchurched? Try a small town in New England instead.</li>
<li>I want a challenge that’s doable – a way to stretch that may have risks but has a plan and milestones. I may not be able to take the complete journey on faith, like an apostle or a missionary, but I can get to the next milestone, for heaven’s sake, even if it’s out of sight around a corner. A milestone says that someone else has been there. I can handle that.</li>
<li>I want a church that talks to people in bars and on the streets. I don’t want to do this personally … but I know I should. I just don’t know how.[vimeo]http://vimeo.com/1710532[/vimeo]So I’ve made a decision – I’m going to go down to a bar once a week for – say – 2 months and see what happens. I lead Bibles studies on Tuesday and Friday nights, Wednesday is my night with my daughter, Thursdays with my grouping buddy and (for a while) praying for all the 3-day teams going on here. But Monday I’ve been keeping for myself. Maybe that’s why. So … tonight. 7pm.</li>
</ul>
<p><em>(Thanks to Em for using Brandon Heath&#8217;s song &#8220;Give me Your Eyes&#8221; during the <a title="Aventura community" href="http://AventuraCT.org" target="_blank">Aventura</a> reunion, and Paul Watson at <a title="Reaching the Online Generation" href="http://www.reachingtheonlinegeneration.com/" target="_self">Reaching the Online Generation</a> for the video clip that I retro-added to the post.)</em></p>
<p><a class="a2a_dd addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save"><img src="http://steve.gwilt.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_171_16.gif" width="171" height="16" alt="Share/Bookmark"/></a> </p><div class="pdf24Plugin-cp-box"><form method="post" action="http://doc2pdf.pdf24.org/doc2pdf/wordpress.php" target="pdf24PopWin" onsubmit="window.open('about:blank', 'pdf24PopWin', 'scrollbars=yes,width=400,height=200,top=0,left=0'); return true;"><input type="hidden" name="blogCharset" value="VVRGLTg=" /><input type="hidden" name="blogPosts" value="MQ==" /><input type="hidden" name="blogUrl" value="aHR0cDovL3N0ZXZlLmd3aWx0Lm9yZy9ibG9n" /><input type="hidden" name="blogName" value="SSYjMDM5O3ZlIEJlZW4gVGhpbmtpbmcgQWJvdXQgVGhpcy4uLg==" /><input type="hidden" name="blogValueEncoding" value="base64" /><input type="hidden" name="postTitle_0" value="V2hhdCBJIFdhbnQgaW4gYSBDaHVyY2g=" /><input type="hidden" name="postLink_0" value="aHR0cDovL3N0ZXZlLmd3aWx0Lm9yZy9ibG9nLzIwMDgvMDgvMjUvd2hhdC1pLXdhbnQtaW4tYS1jaHVyY2gv" /><input type="hidden" name="postAuthor_0" value="U3RldmU=" /><input type="hidden" name="postDateTime_0" value="MjAwOC0wOC0yNSAxNTowODoxMg==" /><input type="hidden" name="postContent_0" value="<p>I&#8217;ve been giving this some thought recently. I&#8217;m reading so many blogs and touching so many sites and reading so many books about church and leadership and so on, that I started wondering what my perfect church would be. So here it is, all out in the open&#8230;</p>
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<ul>
<li>I want Bible-based teaching:
<ul>
<li>Enough with this ‘God is love’ stuff, and relationship psycho-babble and, “Let’s not get people annoyed because the preacher’s saying things that are inconvenient” – I want to hear something about His holiness, His righteousness and His purity and the need for me to get cleaned up (by Him) if I want to be in His presence. I understand He’s love, but I want some meat please.</li>
<li>I want to hear a call to repentance from the pulpit, not a lot of make-nice.</li>
<li>I want to see some witnessing from the pulpit &#8211; witnessing to changes that Jesus Christ has made in the preacher, not just a bunch of cute stories and jokes. It’s OK if the minister is broken and he/she talks about it. It’s <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">not</span></em> OK if the minister pretends he/she is OK and that all the failures are in the congregation, ‘coz I know that’s a dangerous lie.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>I want a chance to be involved in guiding the church body. I want to make a difference.</li>
<li>I want a church that speaks to new people, especially kids and young families.</li>
<li>I want a church that makes use of the tools God gives – such as technology – to reach out to people outside (and inside) the building.</li>
<li>I want a church that has no hymnals in the pews, because they have screens in the front so your head’s up when you’re singing (and someone in the control booth that knows how to work it!). That way, people will hear the praising instead of the organ.</li>
<li>I want a church that starts with people and becomes the Body, not a group of people who say, “We’re a lot of people, so we must be a church.”</li>
<li>I want a church whose minister is accountable to someone else locally – an elder or the minister from another church.</li>
<li>I want comfy chairs/pews in the sanctuary. Why turn people off or make them uncomfortable? We’re not Victorians; we don’t need to suffer to feel good about ourselves.</li>
<li>I want to bring my coffee to drink during service. I often drink coffee or juice when I’m with friends. God wouldn’t mind &#8211; after all, I&#8217;m friends with Him. In fact, I’m betting He’s all for it if it helps people come and listen to Him. Again, we’re not Victorians dressed up in our best bibs and tuckers, sitting beautifully in a row. A lot of us don’t even wear ties to church anymore &#8211; some (gasp!) even come in jeans and T&#8217;s!</li>
<li>I want a church family that tithes. I’m not talking about the people in the church – I’m talking about the congregation giving away 10% of the church’s budget to other ministries…and not all social ministries either. Missionaries abroad, missionaries in inner cities, missionaries in my home town. Supporting ministries that don’t have much chance otherwise because they’re not that popular. I believe that people who aren’t tithing don’t grow. I believe that churches that don’t tithe are dying.</li>
<li>I want a church that can’t wait to get together to have fun. Church dinners (what ever happened to tuna noodle casserole? I love that stuff, with the crunchy Corn Flake thingy on the top), bowling nights, ice cream socials – totally corny stuff with lots of love and joy and connecting.</li>
<li>Speaking of connecting &#8211; I want to connect with God’s vision for this area. He must have one! But I’m not in on it yet. Why not? So many possible reasons – need to wait on the Lord; assail the battlements; the parable of the importunate woman; time isn’t right yet; I’m not right yet; I’m supposed to be somewhere else. Has He closed this door, or has the enemy?</li>
<li>I&#8217;d like to see one of these big-name people with a lot of experience in the emerging church &#8211; from DC or Georgia or Texas or California or Michigan or some other comfortable Bible Belt-ish place &#8211; have the wherewithal to move into this area and put that experience to good use. Want to <em>really</em> reach the unchurched? Try a small town in New England instead.</li>
<li>I want a challenge that’s doable – a way to stretch that may have risks but has a plan and milestones. I may not be able to take the complete journey on faith, like an apostle or a missionary, but I can get to the next milestone, for heaven’s sake, even if it’s out of sight around a corner. A milestone says that someone else has been there. I can handle that.</li>
<li>I want a church that talks to people in bars and on the streets. I don’t want to do this personally … but I know I should. I just don’t know how.[vimeo]http://vimeo.com/1710532[/vimeo]So I’ve made a decision – I’m going to go down to a bar once a week for – say – 2 months and see what happens. I lead Bibles studies on Tuesday and Friday nights, Wednesday is my night with my daughter, Thursdays with my grouping buddy and (for a while) praying for all the 3-day teams going on here. But Monday I’ve been keeping for myself. Maybe that’s why. So … tonight. 7pm.</li>
</ul>
<p><em>(Thanks to Em for using Brandon Heath&#8217;s song &#8220;Give me Your Eyes&#8221; during the <a title="Aventura community" href="http://AventuraCT.org" target="_blank">Aventura</a> reunion, and Paul Watson at <a title="Reaching the Online Generation" href="http://www.reachingtheonlinegeneration.com/" target="_self">Reaching the Online Generation</a> for the video clip that I retro-added to the post.)</em></p>
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